French Lingerie

[COP11]

WTF!!

[Prettyphile]

Um "although the ads have attracted little attention in France" <--- Hello France, someone needs to pay more attention and spend a tad more time being outraged. Mkay? Thanks

[LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE]

OMG?!@# that is tasteless on SO many levels :yuckky: :yuckky: :yuckky: :yuckky: :yuckky: :yuckky: , seriously thats a ped's dream right there, this person is on crack if they dont think this is wrong

[Sweet Lu]

what in the bloddy blue hell is wrong with those peopel?!?!?!?! who in their right mind would EVER think that sh!t is ok?? this is f'n sick and wrong on so many levels.

as a father to a 6 year old i can tell you i would never let her wer things like that. What parent would?!?!?! good god!

[frenchkiki]

Ok guys I don't want to have a fight with any of you and I totally agree it's a sick campaign! This is totally wrong.

As this

Is also totally wrong.

This lingerie campaign for little girl in France is to me as much a pedophile dream than the 5 years old beauty pageants in USA.

I really understand that you are disgusted/shocked by this but this is just a sick buzz for the media to talk about this lingerie brand. We have harsh laws to protect children in France and this campaign is not going to last long. They did their big scandal with the pictures & medias are playing their sick game. Now we are talking about it all over the world & they are promoting their products for free!

I don't want to give lessons to anyone but no country on this bloody planet is better than another and

Um "although the ads have attracted little attention in France" <--- Hello France, someone needs to pay more attention and spend a tad more time being outraged. Mkay? Thanks

this comment is just contemptuous. It's a big attention in France right now and we are outraged as much as Americans could be about the little girls pageants? I am not living is the US for now so I don't know how Americans react to 5 years old little girls in bikinis wearing enough make up to pimp a stolen car? But I live in France and i know this campaign a big big scandal.

I know this is not a France/Usa debat but I just want to clear things about my county. The French fashion world and France are 2 different things. Weird people are making the fashion & real good people (and a bunch of idiots!) are making France.

And if they don't vote for Sarkozy again in April 2012 I would say the idiots are gone!

[Sweet Lu]

and that disturbbs me too.

little girls should be just that, little girls. they should not be dresswed up and have make up and wear skimpy outfits of any nature.

[LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE]

i swear ID NEVER put my daughter in a beauty pag. at that age, if she was older, high school etc MAYBE, but i know that cant be good on a girls self worth

[Sweet Lu]

the point is though, the US has jsut as many weirdos as anyplace in the world. I didn;t mean to single out one country, cause we also have way too many sickos here.

and i just hate all kid pageant like these as i find them disturbing to parade kids around like that.

i hate Pedophile and CZhild molesters of any nation. They are to me the most revolting of any sex criminals as they rob kids of their innocence. And making clothing for kids like this is just wrong, i don;t care what country we are talking about

[frenchkiki]

This should be focused on the advertisement not the country. But unfortunately it's always one country pointing the other country to tell how despicable it is. When they should swipe in front of their door before to swipe our door. U know that I have absolutely now animosity against America & Americans but your medias when it comes to foreign countries is made with 99% of sensational craps! If I was Americans I would think French are pedophiles always on strike burning cars in riots and drinking wine for breakfast. And women are thin well dressed sluts not shaving their under arms and legs and they want to dress their little girl like mini sluts. Oh And French don't shower bien sûr! Of course it's a cliché but how many Americans are believing those clichés? I would say too much.

[phenobarbie]

Stereotypes are believed world wide; about France, the United States, the UK, China, Russia etc. It's not one country that's being singled out when it comes to cliches.

As for Beauty Pageants being compared to a company that is using children to market lingerie for children, I find very little that can be compared between the two. Beauty Pageants are not being used to 'sell' a product not to mention Pageants are done world wide, or we wouldn't have Miss Universe. And if you look at those little pageant girls when they aren't doing the glitz and the glam they are 'normal' I use that term loosely children, having fun and doing their thing. The beach wear, (swimsuit) is only brought into the lower age bracket because it IS part of the older age bracket to become an actual quote on quote beauty queen and go on to compete competitively.

The makeup, and the flippers, and the over done hair is not as prevalent in the natural pageants either, it's only when you start getting into the glitz market that they become so over the top. The whole idea behind the pageant scene is to create a living breathing doll, which is why in their glamor shots that's exactly what they look like. It's not to create or promote sexualization in a child.

Using children to market lingerie is not only exceptionally wrong, it's rather frightening as it's not the only marketing trend where children are being over sensationalized and sexualized in the fashion community. Now I'm not trying to point any fingers kiki, but it was Paris Vogue, (the beauty edition I believe) that also marketed a child on the cover with a small editorial inside. Obviously the article did point out the French Elle viewers were expressing outrage at the campaign, so I wouldn't say that the entire country is lewd or licentious or accepting of it, however the designer's comment, "that the brand was a family orientated brand" is a little ridiculous.

It comes across, (at least in my opinion) as a brand geared towards adults who for absolutely no reason feel like they should and can sexualize their children and make them feel 'grown up'. Throw a little bit of cheap makeup their way, let them play with some old hair products and you have a child who's like a pig in mud, able to play dress up like barbie and still be a kid.

[LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE]

erm Kiki, I dont have such opinions about the French, and I would hope most americans dont, its a misconception on both sides of the fence i think. Its merely a thread pointing out the Ad, not to Bash ones country, All countries no matter WHO they are have issues like this, the Media scoops it up, vomits it out, and the Masses thrive on it, and the masses i mean the world, not just one country or another.

[frenchkiki]

To answer to Pheno I am totally agree with you about how wrong it is to sell sexy lingerie for children (or make-up). We all know when a woman is buying lingerie is most of the time to seduce. Seduce herself or a sexual partner. Lingerie for little girls is a complete distorted message & this commercial is just a stupid provocation made by hypocrites. They knew these pictures will never be accept by the general public but they give it a shot. I mean why been lost in so many brands for children when they can give one good strike?

I think the Vogue editorial with the little girls is different. At first they just wanted to do a shoot with girls dressing like mom, wearing make-up and high heels. They wanted to talk about how young is too young to wear make-up and such for kids? But it came out all wrong. The kids were over sexualized and I don't even know why Vogue published the pictures? (bad publicity is still publicity for them I guess?) <_<

I seriously think the whole world is fucked up and the line between what is correct or not was been crossed a long long time ago by almost every countries. Fashion industry is always going to push the limits because unfortunately it's all about money and not the children. And that's so wrong.

& to quote my 6 years old niece words of wisdom talking about this kid lingerie

I am not going to wear that panty! It's ugly and i am sure I am going to sweat in that and... I don't like when it goes in my buttock like that!

and she shown me what the "like that" was at the same time she was saying it epic cuteness

And about the Beauty Pageants to me is also just all wrong. On different levels and for other reasons but it's really disturbing for me to see those little girls wearing bikinis and waxed face and fake smile. I don't like it and it freaks me out.

To LMS: I am sure u don't think that way about French. I will kill u if u do and i'll eat you!

[Sweet Lu]

i can totally agree with all that Kiki, and i totally agree with pheno and pretty.

i think though ALL of us have seen way too many other memebrs jsut attack countries and lump everyone from that country as being the same. By now i think we all know each other well enough on here to know that none of us are the types of people to generalize a whole country. We are proud where we come from but also are not blind to the bad side of our countries as well. Hey, we got pelnty of closed minded you-know-whats on here as it is, let's not turn one each other.

hugs and kisses for all

[frenchkiki]

i can totally agree with all that Kiki, and i totally agree with pheno and pretty.

i think though ALL of us have seen way too many other memebrs jsut attack countries and lump everyone from that country as being the same. By now i think we all know each other well enough on here to know that none of us are the types of people to generalize a whole country. We are proud where we come from but also are not blind to the bad side of our countries as well. Hey, we got pelnty of closed minded you-know-whats on here as it is, let's not turn one each other.

hugs and kisses for all

My American Dalai Lama I you!

And I think we have a really polite conversation so far?

[Sweet Lu]

thanks Kiki. Kissssssssssssssssss for my fave french vixen.

yes we are.

just seen in the apst with other people, that one wrong or msitaken word can turn it all ugly really fast and i'd hate to have that happen here.

[Layla90]

I think the Vogue editorial with the little girls is different. At first they just wanted to do a shoot with girls dressing like mom, wearing make-up and high heels. They wanted to talk about how young is too young to wear make-up and such for kids? But it came out all wrong. The kids were over sexualized and I don't even know why Vogue published the pictures? (bad publicity is still publicity for them I guess?) <_<

That photoshoot was the last nail to Carine Roitfeld's coffin (as the editor in chief for Vogue Paris). I really don't understand people who kept defending those photos saying it's "little girls dressing up". Really? 10-year-olds can make perfect make up and hair and strike particular poses? Uhmm it didn't look like an innocent game of girls being all clumsy when trying on mum's shoes and wearing her long dresses etc.

Anyway, I have a serious question for Americans here about kids' pageant. Aren't these things regularly protested nowadays? I mean, I guess kids beauty pageants bring lots of money each year so it would be difficult to ban them but