Terminator: Dark Fate (2019)

[Shepherd]

 

Terminator: Dark Fate is an upcoming American science fiction action film directed by Tim Miller with a screenplay written by David S. Goyer. The film's story was conceived by Miller and series co-creator James Cameron, with the latter also serving as a producer alongside David Ellison, Dana Goldberg and Don Granger. It will be the sixth installment in the Terminator franchise and serves as a direct sequel to The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgment Day, disregarding all other Terminator works as occurring in alternate timelines. The film will star Arnold Schwarzenegger, Linda Hamilton, Mackenzie Davis, Gabriel Luna, Natalia Reyes, and Diego Boneta. The film will be distributed by Paramount Pictures in North America and by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures in other territories, and is scheduled to be released on November 1, 2019.

 

[Michael*]

Ironically, as much as people hold reboots in low regard, this is one instance where a fresh start would almost certainly be more beneficial to the franchise. The various attempts at clinging onto what's gone before has made such a terrible mess of the mythology, and it's only getting sadder. This perhaps has the best chance of doing the originals justice considering who's involved with it, but the fact they’re trying it after Rise, Salvation and Genysis, just comes off as desperation.

[Michael*]

Before I go, I should add that I'm okay with Gabriel Luna getting a shot in a big franchise film, presumably as a reward for banishing all memory of Nicolas Cage's Ghost Rider in Agents of Shield. 

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[Stromboli1]

@Enrico_sw

 

This looks like a SJW Terminator.

[Enrico_sw]

42 minutes ago, Stromboli1 said:

@Enrico_sw

 

This looks like a SJW Terminator.

 

It certainly looks that way (let's wait for the movie to be sure). Hollywood smells of SJWs these days... at the expense of good scenarios, characters, etc. Big productions have to show their political correctness to get support from the media.

 

The worst thing is that it often ends up with Manichean scenarios and bland characters (like Mary Sues).

 

Since Hollywood is an oligopoly and since conformity is widespread there, we should expect thousands of bad movies for the next couple of years...

 

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Arnie recently had heart surgery- and surely some cosmetic procedures done.  Surely Sarah Conner did a fair share too.  The actress that plays the female terminator is actually quite good looking in normal garb.  She reminds me of Hedvig ❤️

 

How are they going to explain away making an "old man" terminator?

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I've been catching up with the Terminator franchise as of late and IMHO it is unlikely that "Dark Fate" will revolutionize things.  Terminator: Genisys was an attempt to recreate the magic of 1 and 2 but it didn't work.  The Dark Fate trailers look like a film of T:G's quality.    It seems like the Star Wars effect with another beloved franchise.  

 

IMHO Terminator has to move on the path of humans vs. robots war instead of trying to win back the old time-travel glory.  (Terminator Salvation).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_Genisys#Plot

 

Maybe I'll be proven wrong, who knows..

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[Matt!]

48 minutes ago, Shepherd said:

 

 

Arnold's looking badass!

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65% RT (83 critics reviews)

 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator_dark_fate

 

Making it the 3rd best terminator movie?

[Michael*]

I just think it was (and still is) a franchise that in the right hands, could have had so much potential, it's just a pity to see it get stuck in a rut of slavishly trying to appeal to nostalgia. There's plenty of potential new directions for the series, but the writers and producers are seemingly only interested in trying to make T2 again.

[Enrico_sw]

The failure of this movie (and Woke Hollywood in general) is sweet. So sweet.

 

Also, Tim Miller doesn't seem to understand anything.... so, Miller, here's a strong woman that will explain things to you

 

 

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[Michael*]

It was an inevitability that this would bomb, coming as it did off the back of three inadequate attempts at cashing in on the original James Cameron concept. They've been making substandard Terminator sequels for longer than some of their desired target audience have been alive at this point.

[Enrico_sw]

^ That's what the media shills say, that's what Miller wants us to believe. It's easier than to admit the intrinsic mediocrity of the movie.

 

From the franchise perspective, it's pretty clear that killing John Connor in the first two minutes is the dumbest move you can make... it was so obvious that it would piss the fans, but the geniuses who produced this movie didn't see it coming...

 

Also, our beloved access media can't acknowledge that their identity politics BS is annoying the audience, because they're only listenning to peer pressure.

[Michael*]

It's become an intrinsically mediocre property though and no franchise will remain infallible if audiences are being made to suffer through multiple lesser adaptations.

 

At this point, to have fond memories of seeing a Terminator film on the big screen, you'd have to at least be in your late forties and that's not a demographic you can rely on to buy cinema tickets. This thing was doomed from minute one.

[Enrico_sw]

^ I do get what you're trying to say: the fatigue has been caused by "bad" sequels. I want to insist on the term "bad", because good sequels could've been possible if the directors had been talented (which they weren't) and if they hadn't tried to use identity politics to make up for their mediocrity.

 

The same thing happened to Disney Star Wars. They made really talentless/bland movies (ep. VII and VIII) and they tried to blame the audience for their mediocrity, claiming that people are tired or too demanding (in other words "it's not our fault"). The media shills help them instiling these narratives.

 

Yes, people are tired... of mediocrity, but they're not tired of the franchises.

 

[Michael*]

In the case of this particular franchise, I don't even think it's an issue of fatigue. The built-in audience isn't there any more because longstanding fans of the original films have failed to pass down their love of the series to the next generation.

 

It's no secret that each of the four follow-ups left a lot to be desired, but they were never going to be met with anything beyond tepid enthusiasm. T2 as an action movie and as a conclusion was something approaching perfect, and I have a very hard time imagining any potential third story, let alone a sixth, that wouldn't have seemed superfluous and hollow by comparison.